Ep 204 Get a GRIP on your goals with guest Kjristen Klein
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Sara Mayer: [00:00:00] Welcome to the bold goal crusher podcast for anyone looking to stop letting life get in the way and start crushing bold goals. I'm your host, Sara Mayer, and I'm thrilled to navigate this journey with you because it's time to start boldly achieving without working double time. So let's dive in.
Sara Mayer: Hello, bold goal crushers. I'm super excited about this episode. I think you are really going to enjoy the conversation that we are going to have today because my guest has had several books cover all topics of goals. Kjristen is a serial entrepreneur, a volunteer for score, a small business mentorship program, and co author of get a grip on goals.
Sara Mayer: Grip is an effective. Goal management process that when [00:01:00] followed can only result in success. And I know many of you listening have lots of goals for this year. So I'm super excited to have you on the show. Welcome. And I can't wait to dive into our conversation. Oh,
Kjristen Klein: thank you so much for having me here, Sara.
Sara Mayer: Ah, thanks. I want to first start off by you telling us a little bit about this grip system, because when I saw this in your bio, I knew that I needed to learn more.
Kjristen Klein: Let me first of all say that it was not my system. My sister is is a certified coach, was a certified coach. I think she's moved on from that now, but and she came across it in her training, neither of us can find it.
Kjristen Klein: So I implore anybody out there who knows where this originally came from to help us out because we'd love to give credit where credit is due. But what we did do is write it out into a usable format that people can now access, and it is a simple acronym that stands for goals, [00:02:00] requirements, issues, and plan.
Kjristen Klein: Okay? It sounds really easy, but what it is an iterative process because so many of the goal management systems out there KISS I don't know, name a few of them, they never really get to the heart of the matter of figuring out what it is that you want and figuring out the path of how to get there.
Kjristen Klein: So often what ends up happening is you get these, what we call B Hags. I don't know if you use that too. Big hairy goals. And and we're so excited about, diving in and we get going after a while, we just lose momentum and we just don't get there. And then we just, lose one more opportunity to get what it is that we really want.
Kjristen Klein: And the frustrating thing is that we don't really know how or why this happened, right? So the. The goal of GRIP is to have an iterative process, and you can actually start anywhere in the process. The book itself starts it at goals, because some of us do actually know what we [00:03:00] want. And it allows us to start identifying requirements.
Kjristen Klein: What is it going to take to get there? Because, honestly, if there weren't requirements, you'd already have it. You'd already be there, right? Okay. And then the issues. What is it that's standing in the way between here and there? And then what is your plan? Okay. So the nice thing is that if you don't know what it is that you want, you don't really know how to write up an actual, effective goal, you can start with issues.
Kjristen Klein: What is it you don't like about your life, your job, your relationship, whatever it is that you're trying to change? Sounds like a laundry list of complaints, but when it comes down to it, it's that laundry list of complaints that will allow you to surface. What are the requirements to get me away from those complaints?
Kjristen Klein: And ultimately, it will help you not only develop a well worded goal, but also develop a plan. Thank
you.
Sara Mayer: I love that you can start anywhere because I think so often we have people who are like, Oh, you got to get some smart goals. And they're like, okay. And spoiler alert, I'm not a [00:04:00] big fan of sparkles, but they're like, I don't know where to start.
Sara Mayer: And is this even realistic? And so in your process, you're saying that somebody could start with I, which is really just thinking about what are the issues. What's stopping them or they could start with, the goals if they already have them and just move into the next step. But it also sounds like this is a process that you don't just do once you can go through it over and
Kjristen Klein: over and over.
Kjristen Klein: You are spot on with that, Sarah. And that is one of the things that's so important about this is because not only can you start anywhere, you can, you should also use it continuously until you get what it is that you want. And then you're going to start with a new goal or, I have, I've got grips started all over the place, whether it's just how to get through my day, all the way to my five year plan and to speak to your idea about starting anywhere.
Kjristen Klein: Oftentimes we were pretty happy with our lives. [00:05:00] And but we just don't know where we're going, right? It's not that we necessarily want to change anything. We've got a good marriage. We've got two lovely kids. We like our job, but it's it's starting to feel like maybe in five years, I'm not going to be so happy with this.
Kjristen Klein: So you can look at your plan. What do you do every single day? That's obviously your plan because you're doing it, right? You get up every morning, you go to work. You go every Saturday, you go to soccer practice or, whatever it is that, that you do. And you just look like, if I follow this plan, where am I going to get?
Kjristen Klein: And that spells out your goal. You're like, and then you can decide whether or not you're happy with that, or if that's not going to work for you.
Sara Mayer: Yeah. Yeah. And so remind me what R stands for.
Kjristen Klein: R stands for the requirements. Requirements. Because, yeah, that's really where we're getting down into the nitty gritty of what do I have to do?
Kjristen Klein: That's where your action items come from, where you build your plan and your requirements work hand in hand, where your issues and your goals, your issues are really your anti goals. What do I not like versus your goals are, what do [00:06:00] I think I want? Yeah.
Sara Mayer: And I think so many times with requirements, it's easy to have to put out a big, I like to call them bold goals.
Sara Mayer: It's easy to put out a wild goal. Like I would love to write a book and be a bestselling author, but then there's some requirements that need to happen. Like I need to be able, I need to write actually, or figure out how to write. But also then how do I market a book to become a bestselling author?
Sara Mayer: Because I could write a fabulous book, but if nobody reads it, I won't get there. So I love that you call it requirements. Sometimes it's money. Sometimes it's thing we need, things we need to learn. Are there other things that kind of fall into the requirements category that are stopping points for people?
Kjristen Klein: Let's talk a little bit about stopping points because I think that's People don't understand why they don't do things. We all have these ideas I'm just gonna get up and run five miles, right? And then the morning comes, like, why [00:07:00] didn't I run? You get to the end of the day, and you're like, why didn't I run five miles?
Kjristen Klein: There's only really four buckets that, that kind of encompass all the reasons we don't do things. We don't do things because we compare ourselves to others. We don't do things because of obstacles. We don't do things because of self judgment in general. Or predictions. Let's dive into those a little bit more comparisons.
Kjristen Klein: In a, obviously these are very generalized terms, but think about comparisons has been like, oh, why should I do this? Sally does it so much better. Or I'm not capable of this. That might also fall into the judgment category of Sally does it so much better, and I suck. All of a sudden, you're not really motivated to do that, are you?
Kjristen Klein: Or the obstacles. It's going to be so hard. It's so cold out there. I don't want to run five miles. It's really cold. I'll do it tomorrow. Or predictions. Oh, this is really going to suck. It must be cold out there. I don't know if it's cold out there, but, or I'm going to hurt myself if I go out.
Kjristen Klein: We have. Every excuse you can come up with for not doing something falls into one of these four categories in some way, or [00:08:00] combination of these categories. And so that's where your plan really comes into place, where if you don't follow your plan, if your goal is to drop 10 pounds, and you've decided that running five miles three days a week is absolutely critical for that to happen.
Kjristen Klein: And you get to the end of the week and you haven't, you put that in your plan, your require here's my goal. I'm going to lose five pounds requirement. I'm going to, run five miles, three days a week. My issue is I want to lose, I feel overweight. That's what I want to fit into my wedding dress in six weeks.
Kjristen Klein: That's the issue. Then the plan is I'm going to run three days a week and I'm going to run Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So Friday afternoon comes and you haven't run once. Now it's up to you to go in and dig in to find why. Because now your new issue is I don't follow my plan. So now I have a new requirement.
Kjristen Klein: I have to discover what my avoidance technique is. Am I comparing myself and am I going to say, Oh, it's never going to work anyway, I'll never lose the way, what is, so now I have a new requirement. I've [00:09:00] surfaced an issue by not following my plan and now, I have to revise my goal a little bit.
Kjristen Klein: My goal is, it has to encompass the requirement that I discover why I self sabotage.
Sara Mayer: Yeah. I really love the process that you walked us through because I think so many times people have a setback and then they're like I'm just not meant to accomplish this. Yes. I always use my one client who I don't work with a lot of clients who have.
Sara Mayer: health goals. That's not really my, it may be one of their goals, but not the main focus just because of what I do. But one of her major goals was health related. And she put on the back of her front door, three circles. And she basically said, I'm going to work out three times this week, every week.
Sara Mayer: And if I don't by Sunday, all these circles have to have the date in them. And if I don't on Sunday, [00:10:00] then my accountability mechanism for myself is that I will work out three times on Sunday. And so what that happened one Sunday. And she's I went for a swim. I went for a bike and a run. She's I basically did a triathlon that day.
Sara Mayer: And that never happened again. She's I never let myself get into that situation again.
Kjristen Klein: I love it. I absolutely love it. And that's, what she did was she looked at her avoidance and pushed it. It was like, it's going to be worse if I don't do it. Because that is, the prediction is this is going to suck.
Kjristen Klein: And what she did is she's she used that to her advantage. She said, it's going to suck worse if I don't,
Sara Mayer: Yeah. And so now every week she's still, to this day, I've talked to her a couple of times. I haven't worked with her in a couple of years, but talk to her a couple of times. She's I still have the circles on my door.
Sara Mayer: That's awesome. It works. It works for her, but I think it's also about finding what works for you. Everybody has a different situation [00:11:00] and, different priorities. So how might they use this system to ebb and flow where they're at in their goals? Cause some of their big goals may be way far
Kjristen Klein: down the line.
Kjristen Klein: And I think you brought up a really good point because we have these day to day goals that get us from point A to point B. We have weekly goals, monthly goals, five year goals, 10 year goals, life goals. And how do you keep all that straight? I happen to keep it straight in a big notebook.
Kjristen Klein: No, but that, there's lots of ways and the process can be. Instead of circular, let's say spiral because you can spiral, do small goals spiraling up into these bigger goals, all the way up or start in the middle, make sure that the small goals get addressed below it and the big goals get addressed above it.
Kjristen Klein: And that's, again, the reason why I love this system so much is because of its ability to meet anyone where they are. And that it forces people not only [00:12:00] to address what it is that they don't like about their life, but what they do like about their life, because we all have something we like. We have basically six human needs, right?
Kjristen Klein: The need for safety, the need for adventure, the need for belonging, but the need to feel unique, the need to grow, and the need to contribute. So any goal has got to have some, it needs to definitely fulfill at least one of those. And a really solid goal usually has some component that, that of each one of those goals.
Kjristen Klein: Now, they can contradict because the need to feel to need to belong, for example Can you can belong so tightly that you don't ever pay attention to your own personal needs and it and you're defined by the group that you belong to and that gets hard. You need to push back and find some individuality, right?
Kjristen Klein: And in a good, solid goal will help you do that. Being able to find where in your life [00:13:00] you're missing out on one, one or more of those six basic human needs will help you start to dial in at least that first step of a goal. And then the process allows you to revise the goal until it encompasses more of.
Kjristen Klein: What it is that you're trying to achieve. So the first time, your first draft of a goal is really that, it's just a first draft. You're going to surface bits and pieces as you grow through this process. And that goal ultimately will be refined because what you find is if your avoidance techniques are really coming down to, I just really don't want to do this, you might need to look at your goal and why you started.
Kjristen Klein: Place. If your goal is to become a doctor, was it because you really wanted to serve the community or was it because you really just wanted to belong to your family and all your whole family is doctors?
Sara Mayer: That's a great point hitting that on. And if I'm hearing you correctly, sometimes for these bigger goals, you said you have lots of grips.[00:14:00]
Sara Mayer: And so sometimes for these bigger goals, when you get into requirements, one of the requirements might actually become its own grip, right? Its own goal. Like I require a property to build a homestead. And so a goal may be saving for the down payment of that property.
Kjristen Klein: Exactly. Exactly. And that they, I find that good organizational structure helps with these because the thing is that so often with our goals, we try and keep it all in our head.
Kjristen Klein: It doesn't live there very well, not for very long because you, it gets very cluttered. I find that people who are most successful in anything in their life tend to have some sort of an organizational structure whether it's notebooks I tend to do digital more because I work from lots of different places like you do, maybe not the Bahamas, but Arizona or wherever you get to go.
Kjristen Klein: But I do I you, you can use things like Google Docs is a great way, because it's accessible from any one of your [00:15:00] devices. I use Trello. There's notable click up. There's lots of different ways to organize all of this information so that you have some way to be able to look. Is this part of the bigger picture grip or is this, my grip for today because my goal for today.
Kjristen Klein: Is to get all the way through today, meeting all of my expectations, for myself and the commitments that I've set for myself, get my kids to soccer practice, get everybody fed and get to bed on time. Yeah. And that, if you're trying to keep that all in your head, not using a calendar or some sort of organizational system it gets a lot to juggle.
Sara Mayer: It's really interesting as humans, we maybe not everybody, but a lot of people have notebook upon notebook of to do lists. Blank notebooks, journal, all these different notebooks that they're tracking, all the things they have to do. They have. To do lists on their computer.
Sara Mayer: And then a lot of people use email as a to do list, which newsflash it's for communication. It's not the most [00:16:00] effective to do list right there. Don't email yourself, right? Yeah. Anyway, so people have all these containers to collect things they need to do, but I love that you bring up that the most successful people write down their goals because when we don't write down our goals, They don't actually end up in our to do list from what I found.
Sara Mayer: And so then it's I'll do that someday, maybe.
Kjristen Klein: And I do have to say, I'm a huge proponent of sharing your goals and your wishes. I know there's people like, you can't tell a wish like, yes, you certainly can. How do you expect people to help you make it come true? Because sharing your goals. Helps saying it out loud to somebody who you respect and care about. It helps you judge whether or not it's actually realistic and reminds you that it's important to you. If it's important enough to your heart, it's important enough to speak.
Sara Mayer: Yeah. And, in reality, if somebody doesn't believe in your goals, [00:17:00] it's, they're probably, they may not be your people or it comes from their own
Kjristen Klein: fear.
Kjristen Klein: True. True. And here's the thing is. If you work it through the grip process, you see how it works and you don't have to convince them. I see so many people though, like you said, let's go back to the, I'm going to write a book. I'm going to be a best selling author. It's a really hard career. How are you going to get there?
Kjristen Klein: That's not something, I'm going to be an NFL football player. You do know that's 10 percent of the, of the people who have ever played football in their entire lives, make it to the NFL, right? It's, when you have these, these giant goals, I am never one.
Kjristen Klein: To tell somebody, like I said, I'm a score mentor and I, people who come to me are entrepreneurs. They have all these ideas, constant ideas. And I really drilled them in. I believe in your goal. I'm all for it. So let's plan it out. And if there's not a plan to get from here to there. It's not achievable.
Kjristen Klein: So come up with a new goal. You've got lots of ideas. Let's find another one. Yeah.
Sara Mayer: And I think oftentimes people are focused on the results [00:18:00] rather than the goal. So I haven't found a easier way to explain this, but it's if you want to get healthy and you're focused on the scale. Instead of the exercise and how you're eating, the result is the change in the scale.
Sara Mayer: And the other example is if I were to say, I want to become a competitive swimmer and I want to win more medals than Michael Phelps, you may say that's not realistic, but that's the result of the hard work of becoming a competitive swimmer. And all the time I'm going to put into that. And so I think sometimes.
Sara Mayer: We don't know necessarily how to set a good goal. So on the G part, I know we went backwards, but on the G part, anywhere you can start anywhere. There you go. How, like, how does one actually set a good goal that will motivate them and not end up being deflating because it's maybe not. The best, in the best format or the [00:19:00] best way for them to
move
Kjristen Klein: forward.
Kjristen Klein: And that's a absolutely fantastic question. And I will go back just a little bit because one of the key things is if you don't want the journey, you probably don't want the goal. Yeah. And I think that's one of the absolutely critical things is, people always talk about walk your walk, talk your talk and then make sure it gets you where you want to go on the map.
Kjristen Klein: You know what I mean? But the key here with with a well written goal. Is something that is definable, something that is within your grasp, and something that is flexible, right? People often say, and I use health and weight as an example because there's so many people who write that as a goal but fail, right?
Kjristen Klein: Or like grades, for example. I want to get all A's. You know what, that's actually, that's not actually... In your control, you have no idea how the teacher might take a umbrage with you and you mark you down just to mark you down. That's not up to you what your goal [00:20:00] is. Then when you look at it is something that is under your control is I want to prepare myself to learn as much as I can about the subject matter to the, to do the best of my ability within this class.
Kjristen Klein: You don't have the ability to some people say I want to get this specific job with this specific company. Again, you're not the one doing the hiring. So that's the key thing is to make sure that it's something that's actually under your control. Make sure that it is flexible. If you say, for example, I'm trying to think of a good example, but having if you want to reach out to a person instead of saying, I want to reach this person by phone, that person might not take phone calls. They might live in the middle of nowhere, right? But you might want to say, I want to connect with this person, right?
Kjristen Klein: So using language that is flexible and open to allowing the universe to help you get what it is that you want. [00:21:00] And again, something that is specifically under your control, not trying to tell somebody else what they're going to do for you.
Sara Mayer: Yeah. And I think so many people get hung up on the measurement part.
Sara Mayer: They'll say like for your connection example, they'll say I can't measure that. Whereas if I said, I want to call the, I'm going to call them on the phone. Like it's done. Yes, you absolutely can measure that. And you can create those metrics every week by one of the things that I recommend my clients do is at the end of the week, did I feel connected to my spouse on a scale of one to five?
Sara Mayer: Yeah. What did that look like this week? So you can create ways to measure things that maybe don't feel measurable naturally.
Kjristen Klein: Yeah. Oh, definitely. And that's for sure. The, and that's where the flexible language comes in and being able to utilize things that change something that isn't under your control.
Kjristen Klein: So you may want to, instead of saying, I want to connect with my husband more often. [00:22:00] Okay. So this week, I, say I want to do my part to connect in my relationship. So you leave them little notes. Boom. You did it. You did your part. And, if at the end, your goal might be to, I want to feel more more connected in my relationships in general.
Kjristen Klein: Giving to get is going to be important, but at the end of the day, if you're not getting, if your issue is it's not being reciprocated, you now have a new requirement. My requirement is to speak with my husband, letting him know what my needs are. If he still doesn't do anything about it, you're going to have a whole new, that may lead you to other things.
Kjristen Klein: If you just can't get what you need out of something, then it's time to maybe shift the goal is to see whether or not that goal is still working for you ultimately. Yeah.
Sara Mayer: Now I want to shift gears a little bit because when we do start to think about our goals, We also have all these other things that may be not big [00:23:00] goals, or they may be not.
Sara Mayer: Our ultimate drive that we need to do. And we have kids and we have relationships and other people piling stuff on our to do list. Sure. So what's the best way to really infuse the work that we're working on our goals into our daily life?
Kjristen Klein: So there's a couple of different things. I use two different ways of describing when I set a plan, plans must have.
Kjristen Klein: Either a specific time and date, I'm doing it Friday at three o'clock, or what I call trigger events, because a lot of the goals that we have, like you said, we get derailed. I actually, as I was going through the editing of this book, was really struggling because I was gonna do this.
Kjristen Klein: There was no two ways about it. It was in an old format. It needed to be updated. There was new information. It needed to be updated. It needed to have a second edition. And it got put off for two years. It was awful. I got like a chapter done in, in those two years [00:24:00] because I kept getting derailed because of all the other fires burning down around me.
Kjristen Klein: So I started using what I refer to as trigger events. And ultimately what it came down to is when I had small time, that was my definition of it. If I had 10, 20 minutes, that I just found like I could do anything. I've got 10, 20 minutes to myself, just put the kids down to bed and my husband's not back from work yet.
Kjristen Klein: And, I'm, I've got a few minutes to myself. I'm going to work on this with those trigger events. I'm going to take the time and I'm going to, even if it's just two sentences. Okay, and that allows to have to make progress at your own pace in your own way. And you find that honestly, progress breeds progress.
Kjristen Klein: When you find that, you, one of my obstacles for me was if I didn't feel like I was making any progress Oh, I don't even know where to start. It's been so long since I've even looked at it. Now I do. I put big flags on it. You left off here. You know what I [00:25:00] mean? So the next time I had 10 minutes, I could make progress.
Kjristen Klein: Yeah.
Sara Mayer: And I found this when I've had to tackle some very impossible things. One is I formed a nonprofit with a bunch of friends and I have this, everybody has this friend who gives out jobs, which is great. And the job that I received was the IRS paperwork, which was 276 questions. And I got, yeah, really fun.
Sara Mayer: And I kept getting stuck on the second question, which is so simple address. But all I could think about was, do I need a post office box? Do I use my address? Do we, what? And I would stop. Yeah. But what I found is when I actually put it in my calendar as an hour long appointment to work on that application, I skipped around, but I was able to get it done because I made it a priority and an appointment.
Sara Mayer: When I wasn't doing that, I'd look at the second question. I'd be like, Oh, my desk is a mess. I should probably do this. And Oh, should check my [00:26:00] email. I found that I tended to go back to things that were easy that I could easily do because it was overwhelming.
Kjristen Klein: So actually great segue. And I appreciate it.
Kjristen Klein: You just surfaced the reason for my next book, which is in the works currently. And it is called time diet. And what we look at when we aren't achieving our plan, right? So you get segued right at that point. We're like, I can't get past this point, right? It's, there's usually an avoidance technique in there that you're using.
Kjristen Klein: And for you, it was that obstacle of this is hard and I don't know how to answer it. Stop, full stop. So in our time diet, what we do is a lot of times our days go like that, where we are, there's only two things, that, that really happened that, that derail us is either, if at the end of the day, we don't get the things done that we wanted to, obviously there's obstacles there, but it's either because we aren't using our time effectively and that's we either [00:27:00] have too much on our plate or we're not using our time effectively.
Kjristen Klein: Those are the only two reasons, right? And if we're not using our time effectively, it's usually because one of these avoidance techniques, right? If there's too much on your plate, if you're one of those people that you're trying to cram, five pounds of whatever in a two pound bag. Okay, you need to trim what we call slay little darlings.
Kjristen Klein: You're not going to be able to get it done. Move on, you figure out exactly what you have and that's part of the time diet where I tend to like to break things into 20 minute chunks. Okay. And the reason why is because 15 minutes, there's four of four chunks in it. It's too little to actually get focusing into a rhythm.
Kjristen Klein: Okay. Half an hour is two. There's only two of them and it's too much time. We waste time. Those 30, those 20 minute chunks, there's three of them. You can get a lot done. You can take a break. You can work the first one in the second one or the first one in the third one, not work the second one, do something for yourself, get up, walk around, go to the water cooler and meet the rest of your colleagues, connect with people, [00:28:00] answer emails, clean your desk, whatever.
Kjristen Klein: But just about any task can 20 minutes. And if it can't, then we have in the time diet. We have the right to break it into a 10 minute chunk. If we really need to, we can break it into five minute chunks and you are going to work. You're going to focus. You're going to turn your phone on.
Kjristen Klein: Do not disturb. You're not gonna do anything but get five minutes worth of that work done. We use a technique called June bugging. Do you know what a June bug is? No, it's that little bug that kind of bounces around, they just hop from one place to another. I find being completely ADD myself that June bugging is super helpful.
Kjristen Klein: I use my smartwatch. I set it, if it's, if I'm focused and I'm doing my 20 minute chunks I will set it for 20 minutes and I will, I've got a list of to do's I'm allowed to work on any of those to do's that I want. But I have to work on it for 20 minutes if I find that I'm avoiding, I'm just not able to do it, I'll break it into those five as little as those five minute chunks [00:29:00] and bounce from one thing to another because you'll find that if I only have five minutes, I'm going to answer that question that, that address question.
Kjristen Klein: I'm going to move on because if I did get that and I'm allowed, if I get my, if I get my task work done, I'm allowed to move on to something else. So I can use that if I get, say I'm scheduled 20 minutes to get something done, right? And I get it done, I'm allowed to use that time for anything I want. Yeah.
Sara Mayer: I used to play this trick at work where I would schedule one of my most important things I needed to do for the day at 4 p. m. for an hour. I'll try this trendy 20 minute thing, but I would play the game of how quickly can I get this done? Because as soon as I get it done, I get to go home.
Kjristen Klein: I like that. It was great.
Kjristen Klein: Yeah. Yeah. No. And that's, those are all, they're mental hacks. What we're trying to do is to get around our avoidance techniques. Understanding what our avoidance technique is, in those four, are we comparing ourselves to others or the situation to other situations? [00:30:00] Are we looking for obstacles, meaning it's too hard, it's too hot, it's too cold, it's too this, it's too that?
Kjristen Klein: Are we judging ourselves? I'm not capable. I'm, I've got imposter syndrome. This isn't really me. This isn't what I want. I'm doing this for somebody else. All of those, things fall under the self judgment or the predictions. This is going to suck. This is, I'm not going to be any good anyway.
Kjristen Klein: Why would I put, words on Page that, no one's going to read, so dial into, trust me, there's a lot of books that, that address these, that's not in my purview just yet, but identifying what your obstacle is, what your avoidance technique is, it's a great self discovery journey.
Kjristen Klein: Being self aware is one of the key ways to get what you want to get.
Sara Mayer: Yeah. I could talk to you all day. I love this conversation. You and I speak the same language. And I've also struggled with this myself. Many of the listeners struggle with this of actually taking their goals and putting it [00:31:00] into action.
Sara Mayer: If somebody's listening today and they're like, Oh my gosh, I just love this. How would they connect with you? And what might they
Kjristen Klein: expect? There's a couple of great ways to connect with me when, if it happens to be a business question, I always send everybody to score, which is part, they are it's the service core of retired engineers.
Kjristen Klein: I'm not retired. Sorry, but it is a small business mentorship, and it's a great way. They do have a way of connecting to me specifically, but there's tons of great mentors to help you reach those goals. You can also reach out to me on my Facebook page, which is Devated Solutions is my consulting company.
Kjristen Klein: And I have a website under debatasolutions. com a Facebook page that goes along with that. And then I have a goal specific Facebook group called Get a Grip. And that group is everything here is just getting going as far as the consulting company has been in business for years, [00:32:00] but realizing that there are people out there who would like some of this information that don't always find me on the website.
Kjristen Klein: I did start recently the Facebook page and the grip goal group at this point, literally you can get one on one help from me or my sister and getting in early on a great community of goal oriented people. Those are probably the best ways to reach out to me. Of course, my book is available on Amazon.
Kjristen Klein: It is still a little challenging to find but it's getting more popular, so it may pop up sooner on your search. If you are searching for it, type in Get a Grip on Goals, and my sister's name, Kim Veebrock, she was the lead Boom. On the book, most because she's older than me. Don't tell her that.
Kjristen Klein: And sure thing, Klein that will bring it right up. If you're having problems finding it, there are links to it in on both my facebook page and my website page.
Sara Mayer: Awesome. I love it. I love this conversation. I'm so excited for the listeners to [00:33:00] check this out and connect with you. I'll link all those links in the show notes.
Sara Mayer: So if you're looking for the book or you're looking to connect, you'll be able to find that in the notes. Thank you so much for being on the show. I just think that everybody's going to love this episode. I truly loved connecting with you.
Kjristen Klein: Sara, I really appreciate it. I'm very passionate about goals and love to help.
Sara Mayer: All right, bold goal crushers. It's time to get out there and crush your goals and everything that gets in the way. So you do not have to work double time. So let's get to it.
Sara Mayer: Thank you for tuning into the bold goal crusher podcast where we crush goals and everything that gets in the way. I always love to support my community.
Sara Mayer: I look forward to seeing you crush your goals this year.
